Monday, November 24, 2008

Letter to Herbert

Hi Herbert, good that you are quoting some of the bible verses, then please let me try solving your doubts and your initial question of "i really wonder why bible metioned Jesus was 1st borned creation which created by GOD!!! Why the churches still recognise Jesus is God??"

I will add my comments to what you have quoted:

WHILE on earth, Jesus was a human, although a perfect one because it was God who transferred the life-force of Jesus to the womb of Mary. (Matthew 1:18-25) But that is not how he began. He himself declared that he had "descended from heaven." (John 3:13) So it was only natural that he would later say to his followers: "What if you should see the Son of man [Jesus] ascend to where he was before?"—John 6:62, NJB.

My comments: I am using the New King James Version bible only because it is what I read. OK, let's look into the quoted verses based on NKJ which New King James Version is widely accepted for us Christians.
A)
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:18)
B)
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. (John 3:13)
C)
62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:62-63)
These 3 verses are very much telling us Jesus who is Holy Spirit (and therefore he is of the trinity God), came to this earth in the form of flesh, and who eventually ascended to Heaven where he was before. I do not see any problem with my NJK verses. Please be careful of false teachings out-there with twisted verses.

OK, your next quotes:
Thus, Jesus had an existence in heaven before coming to the earth. But was it as one of the persons in an almighty, eternal triune Godhead? No, for the Bible plainly states that in his prehuman existence, Jesus was a created spirit being, just as angels were spirit beings created by God. Neither the angels nor Jesus had existed before their creation.

Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was "the first-born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He was "the beginning of God's creation." (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition). "Beginning" [Greek, arkhe'] cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the 'beginner' of God's creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word arkhe' more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of "beginning." Yes, Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God's invisible creations.

My comments: No, Jesus was not a created spirit being, let's look at the full verses of (Colossians 1:15-18, NKJ)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
1) Please note "the firstborn over all creation" is not the same as what you wrote "Jesus was 1st borned creation"
2) The "firstborn" in my bible studies say: Christ was the first to rise from the dead with a resurrection body.
3) The "firstborn" in bible also means "as" the firstborn son "had certain privileges and rights in Biblical world", so also Christ has certain rights in relation to all creation - priority, preeminence and sovereignty.
I think the bible verses I quoted above explain pretty well, especially "
All things were created through Him and for Him"

Please accept my sincere advice that you might have quoted the twisted verses from some false teaching site.
Do you quote them from Jehovah's Witnesses site?
Do not take any single verse at par value without understanding the context of the chapter or passages.

I will stop here, instead of going further on the rest of you quotes. I hope my little efforts here can help you understand Christianity better. Thanks for reading.

Sunday, November 23, 2008

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